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Hi Gents, The topic reminds me the only one LFS clock I have. I love that because of hand made descriptions on it. I enclose a few pictures: By at 2010-09-21 By at 2010-09-21 By at 2010-09-21 By at 2010-09-21 It seems to be the complet. The bigger weight is not orginal, and alarm weight is missing. Still I hope to find orginal. And tipical questions: is the clock in some catalog to identify type and production date?
Or maybe 1894? ( that suggests the description, if I read it in correct way?) DR Patent - what was patented? The serial number is 4437 and H is the signature of clock maker/assembler, right? What about the abbreviations, other numbers and drawing?
Hi Soaringjoy, Your comment comparing LFS to Lenzkirch got my attention. I have to give you a nod of agreement from the 'LenzkirchFan'! I bought an LFS bracket clock in a cherry case to give to my mother-in-law for Christmas a couple of years ago.
The movement and case were of very high quality. I also own an LFS grandfather clock movement - everything except the case. It is heavy, well made and well finished.
Just like the several Lenzkirch grandfather movements that I own. Many of their grandfather clocks are the open well type which were beautiful and still desirable!
Many are designed similar to Lenzkirch grandfather clocks and they also have quality engraved dials like some Lenzkirch clocks. LFS clocks have the quality to stand out on their own.
Thanks for starting this thread! Here is my LFS torsion pendulum year-clock, made in mid-late 1880's under license of the Jehlin patent DRP 2437. This patent and other Harder patents were purchsed by H. DeGruyter from Anton Harder in January 1883. DeGruyter evidently entered into an agreement for license of these to German makers sometime in 1883 with Hugo Knobloch of Berlin, who had been representing Harder since early 1881.
There are at least two makers believed to have taken up the license including LFS and Hanau Uhrenfabrik. This clock may be unique as no others have yet been identified. If any viewer knows of another such clock, please contact me by PM or email. Although it may be a unique LFS clock, the movement is virtually identical to movements used by J. Meister shown in his 1892 Swiss patent No. 05172 for the first temperature compensating pendlum for torsion clocks.
I am including a copy of the patent drawing for comparison to the LFS movement. Note that the movement is 'upside down' with the mainspring barrel at the top and escapement at the bottom. Also, there is no motion works per se, the hour hand is driven from the third wheel and the minute arbor is the usual fourth wheel at the center of the movement. The only significant differences from the Meister drawing are the anchor 'pin' is located at the front of the movement to accomodate a back mounting of the movement for a wall clock, and there is no rating adjustment device as shown for the Meister version.
Otherwise the movement layout and operation is identical between the two. There is no mark, stamp, or serial number on the movement, other than repair marks, the last one in 1942. A direct comparison with an actual Meister movement will be posted at a later date. The pendulum is certainly unique, being two blown glass balls that are internally silvered and then filled with lead shot for mass. The adjusting mechanism is a center rod with cross-bar held in position by a regulating nut (lower) and lock nut (upper). As can be seen the suspension spring is quite long and made of steel.
The clock keeps remarkably good time in my home with temperature fluctuations between about 66º F (winter night) to 78º F (summer day). Replacement would be a problem, most likely needing to slit a watch mainspring to get the required length and cross-section.
The photos below include 1) Front View, 2) Dial, 3) Pendulum & Plaque, 4) Movement back plate, 5) Escapement, 6) Meister Patent, 7) Case back stamps, 8) Palisander The case back info includes a paper label above the '21' that gives the case material, 'Palisander' or Rosewood. It is actually rosewood veneer but beautifully done with the trim being ebonized mahohany. Click to expand.Hello Jurgen, Thanks for providing useful catalogue information on my clock. I had always assumed it is a 7 or 8 day clock and not a 14-day clock as I alwalys wind it every week together with my other 7-day wall clocks. The bevelled diamond pattern on half the front glass shown in the catalogue picture is very attractive.
I have come across a very similar model but with the entire front glass decorated with bevelled diamond pattern along with brass strip inlaid. I cannot say for sure if the plain glass of my clock is a replacement or it was originally fitted as I do not find any sign that it had been replaced.
While the case may look plain and simple however the quality of the carpentry work is of the highest order. Overall I would rate LFS clocks as among the best mass produced German made clocks. LFS paid merticulous attention in making many of the clock parts including small ones such as the fly shown below with the movable weight to regulate the speed of the strike train. This clock was dropped off at our thrift store of the retirement home run by fellow residents. I was asked to do some research prior to offering it for sale.
The clock was from an unknown donor and was well packed for storage, stuffed with 1988 New York Times newspaper. Several people seemed to have some clue where it came from, but none of their stories added up to fit the circumstances. I later saw a pencil name on the back of the pendulum which tied it to a resident who had recently died. She had moved into the complex around the period of the newspaper and she and her husband had a substantial collection. I helped her with a couple after the move in, but she tended to be a recluse and didn't socialize often.The clock is 31 inches tall and 15 inches wide. The movement is three train with what I would term a modified Grande Sonnerie.
It strikes all of the quarters on two gong bim-bam. They are followed only on the hour and the half hour with the strike, also on another two rods struck together. There are a number of strange things about this clock. The trade mark matches the one registered 1881 and is about 3/10th of an inch or 7.5 cm.The serial number (?) under the trade mark 418 is also very low. In smaller stamp you can see 47 off to the right.
There is a grey iron casting for the gong base with which adds the letters A G below but within the teeth circle. This would indicate 1895 as the earliest dating. Does any of this help with dating? Nice to see you dropping in here, Charlie.
You have already gathered information about the company and the movement, which unfortunately may be everything you can get. The reason is because, although the LFS company and family histories have been documented very well and most completely, there is almost no information available for the public on movement types or clock models. Most archive documents were lost or tossed after the liquidation.
LFS was in fact much more innovative in constructing their movements, than, for example other well known quality-makers of the time. I suppose, they enjoyed playing around with designs, improvements, etc., even in tiny details. To make things worse for researching certain specific clocks, is that LFS had always had their own casemaking facility and their designs were quite often 'off' of the mainstreams.
Some of their models appear to be 'younger', than they actually are, others look 'older'. All of this makes dating extremely difficult, almost always ending up in guesstimates. IMHO, the clock you show might be ca. 1910, according to the fashionable geometric patterns.
I have not seen that (horo-sexy) movement before, but it suggests, LFS used a new series of SNs on new movement types. It may be a link between known petite sonnerie and 4/4 chiming movements. The 47 is pendulum length in cm. And yes, the company was changed to an Aktiengesellschaft (AG), a stock holders corporation, in 1895. BTW: There are about 1000 articles concerning LFS (excluding ads) in the DUZ and I am just starting to try to find some loose ends.
Harathi sai baba song download. Click to expand.I contacted the clock owner Mr Lau Cheong Wong to get some pictures of that clock for posting ( with his permission ) on the MB. He kindly oblidged and on receiving the pictures I found that the design of the lower front glass panel of the clock was the same as the one shown in catalogue picture provided by Jurgen.
It is therefore unlike the one that I had described in my earlier post. I apologize for providing the wrong discription. Anyway, pictures of that clock are shown below.
The serial number on the back plate is 91646, a difference of 124 units as compared with my clock s/n 91522. I would think your clock is pre WW 1, Chris.
LFS were very creative and innovative in case designs and well ahead of the mainstream. The case model is shown, is some minor changes in details, in a 1915 catalogue, all along with the rectangular glass panels on the sides. Then, consider, the Westminster movements came up in Germany, about 1908, which may have led LFS to 'improvise' a movement, while designing a new one. That new 'regular' three train movement must have appeared some time later.
What I can already say now, is that it's pretty big and heavy. This LFS Westminster wall clock has been in my stack for quite some time and I did avoid it because it was lot's of work to do on it. Now it's done, on the wall and running strong.
Some details to clock and movement. It's an 'ordinary' three train Westminster set-up, but in a typical LFS quality. The front of the movement follows the general Viennese rack and snail type, with the snail being turned once an hour by a star wheel. Plates are 139 x 128 mm.
The chimes side barrel is 'king size', diameter is 70 mm, weight is 480 gramms, which is just over 1 lb. All parts are marked with a lot number, and all arbors have 4 file marks, as does the case. The spring barrels are 'quick out' types and lids snap in on finger pressure. Time and strike train springs had banged, but luckily only sheared the ratchet wheels and bent some pins. Spring failure was caused by unproper service; the inner coils had slipped from the arbors. The chime side has the hammers placed nicely in a solid brass block, hammer stems held with set screws there. A silencer lifts the hammer from the drum; thus the train turns freely and the chimes are always in sequence.
The combination of rod and coil gong makes the clock a bit special and the sound is terrific. Number of the movement tells us, the patent was effective from Sept. 1911 and the enclosed drawings did help a lot, when reassembling the movement, because they had pointed out the correct wheel positions. The clock was retailed in Annecy, France. Hi to all, came accross this wonderful resource whilst trying to find out more about one of the clocks I own. I will post pictures as soon as the battery on the camera has recharged, but in the mean time a bit of what I know. The clock was purchased in 1914 as a wedding gift to my maternal grand parents.
As far as I can tell it was made in 1913. I don't know who would have retailed the clock, but my family were located in the Northern Mill towns of Nelson & Cone.
It could have been bought in Manchester as my grandfather would have traveled to the city regularly. I would have thought it would have been slightly more expensive than the local clocks.
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It is a two train striking on a gong. I recently had the clock seriously overhauled and restored by Mr Gale who operates from near St Austel. (he also restored my Becker Vienna). The clock looks as good as it did the day it left the shop. I have known it all my life as it passed to my paternal grandparents upon the decease of my maternal grandparents. The case is slightly unusual in that is is Oak rather than the more usual Mahogany with a diamond shaped beveled window to observe the pendulum. The clock is completely original (apart from the re-silvering of the dial and a good clean).
I love the tone of the chime as it is very mellow, however when it was away with Mr Gale he had it running and the chime was dreadful, until it returned to my house, when the tone changed. I think it was glad to be home. Things I need to know, if at all. What is the correct term for the style of the clock, whilst I wind it weekly with my others, I noted elsewhere that the movement could be 14 day, I may try not winding it for a couple of weeks to see. I will try to photograph the marks, I would be grateful of anyone can date the clock more accurately and supply any further information.
Thanks in advance.
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Antique German Furtwangler Blackforest LFS Grandfather Clock Item Description: Up for auction is a beautiful antique German Blackforest region tall case or grandfather clock. The clock cabinet is handmade and it is made of either walnut or black oak.
The clock was manufactured by LFS (Lorenz Furtwangler & Sohne) as seen by the initials inside on the bracket and the movement still keeps perfect precision time to this day. The clock has a front door with a beveled glass rectangular panel on the bottom and a curved circular glass panel over the clock face.
The door has a key lock on the side and two latch hooks which keep it closed securely. Inside it has its original brass face, hands, chains, brass weights, and adjustable pendulum. The clock never has to be wound. When the weights get to the bottom, you simply pull the chains and weights to the top and it continues to run. The clock is very simple in design with some molding at the top and base. The back of the clock is marked with a German label which I cannot read, but it is shown in the picture. Overall the clock stands approximately 7 feet tall with an 11' clock face.
On the sides of the clock are two decorative covers which can be removed to access the movement for maintanence, I believe, because you can see the gears Up inside the clock I can see a cast iron plate that reads, 'DRGM 417991'. DRGM translates to German Reich Registered Design and I'm guessing 417991 is the serial number, just like other clocks have. I am unsure of the date this was made but it is likely 1860s to 1880s.
This is a great antique clock that many collectors would love to have, because of its precise movement. Best of luck! Item Condition: The overall condition of the clock is very good. It is very clean and has the standard associated wear for an item of its age. The cabinet is solid with no holes or broken areas, just light surface wear and scratches. T is a crack in the wood on the top right side panel that appears to be original because it maintains the same color patina as the rest of the wood even in the crack and I see no sign of attempts at repair or alteration.
The molding on the top and bottom can be removed. It is standard dial pin construction The glass is not cracked, or broken, but does have light surface wear. The door has all of its original hinges, hooks, and lock, but three of the screws in the top hinge were replaced at some point and they split the wood below the hinge when this was done. It cannot be seen from the outside when the door is closed. The weights are solid and still work well with the chains. The movement works perfectly and still chimes on the half hour and hour with a deep strike.
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For your consideration we present a terrestrial globe clock manufactured by Uhrenfabrik Carl Werner, Villingen as indicated by the logo on the movement. The company was founded in 1870 and even maintained an assembly factory in France. Werner was the largest movement maker in Germany until 1912, when the facilities burned down. The company was taken over by Kienzle in 1913, but we believe this clock is from earlier production, circa 1910. As a side note, Werner was apparently also 'infamous' for selling unmarked movements for private labeling, with some of these often mistaken for unmarked Lenzkirches. The terrestrial globe sits within an equatorial horizon band numbered with the hours of day, and with calibrated half-meridian, full solstice, and equinox bands, and with French labels on globe.
Clocks are well suited to be combined with globes because world time is based on the full rotation of the earth once every 24 hours. To use the clock globe set the local time on the dial. Turn the globe so the place of use corresponds to the correct time on the equatorial hour circle. Local time for any place in the world then can calculated. Similar clocks are sometimes advertised as being made by Junghans (possible sales through Junghans?) but we think that is incorrect based on the movement with the trademark. The 10” terrestrial globe, likely by Ludw.
Heymann, Berlin, is in excellent condition. It rotates once in 24 hours via a drive shaft from the movement. Physical: The walnut arts and crafts-style cabinet with simple carving and beveled glasses is surmounted by a 10' diameter globe and measures 9'w x 24'h x 5.5'd overall. The markings on the 5' Arabic-numeral dial say 'Patented' in German, English and French, indicating this clock was likely made for the export market. As you can see, the case is in excellent condition with original finish, original silvering on the dial, and original beveled glass.
Mechanical: Most clocks of this genre run only 30 hours, but this is an 8-day clock. It runs well and keeps remarkably good time, having recently been professionally inspected and lubricated. The movement, pendulum, hands and globe are original to the clock. Comments: We have provided you with significant information about this clock and a wonderful set of photos. Now, as time ticks forward, we await your call to make your own Werner acquisition!
Contact us by phone at,. This is an unusual subminiature 'R.A.' -style Vienna regulator, the style of which, with cast front piece, we have not had available to us in the 18 years we've been in business. There is lots of detail here to observe. Physical: The ornate cast front piece measures 16.5'h x 7.5'w x 3'd. It has a 2-piece, 3' porcelain dial that is in excellent physical condition. The case overall is in very good, age-appropriate condition.
Note the side windows in the box housing the clock mechanism. Mechanical: The eight-day R.A. Mechanism has been professionally serviced and is in excellent running condition. Comments: If you are a fan of Vienna regulators and would like to have a truly tiny one that will fit just about anywhere, this would be a great choice.
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